Another Rabbinical Music Ban: “Rap is Disgusting” September 9, 2008
The newly convened Committee for Jewish Music, created to address the “non-Jewish influences” on Jewish music in the Jewish world today, has officially come out and banned all urban music, as well as other “foreign pop”:
Musicians who use rock, rap, reggae and trance influences will not receive rabbinic approval for their CDs, nor will they be allowed to play in wedding halls under haredi kosher food supervision, according to a new, detailed list of guidelines drafted with rabbinical backing that differentiates between “kosher” and “treif” music.
The guidelines, which are still being formulated, also ban “2-4 beats and other rock and disco beats;” the “improper” use of electric bass, guitars and saxophones; and singing words from holy sources in a disrespectful, frivolous manner.
So now all rock, hiphop, disco, “Michael Jackson-style” (rabotai, you’re really dating yourselves with that one), and electronic music is assur. And since “all 2/4 beats” are included, this throws out not only reggae, but reggaeton, salsa, calypso, and Latin. Add in the “improper usage of” electric bass and saxophones, and jazz and fusion are also out.
And, let’s not ignore the gigantic Congolese elephant in the room:
“Michael Jackson-style music has no place in our community,” says Mordechai Bloi, a senior member of the Guardians of Sanctity and Education, an organization based in Bnei Brak that enforces what it sees as normative haredi behavior.
“We might be able to adopt Bach or Beethoven, music with class, but not goyishe African music and beats. We haredim want to protect ourselves from what we see as negative foreign influences.
Nothing but plain old racism, a charge I’m sure that Bloi himself would probably deny while standing in front of a non-white face. After all, what kind of logic would permit one of Hitler’s favorite composers (who he identified himself with), but forbid “goyishe African music” — which, depending on the region, may be actually made by Jews? (Then again, perhaps he wouldn’t consider Ethiopian Jews to be Jewish.) African music has no class? African beats have no “class”? What is class, then, but European origin? And what can be more intrinsically goyish than “Germanic ancestry” that Hitler himself praised?
And, the piece de resistance:
[Rabbi Efraim Luft of Bnei Brak] admitted that listening to all the discs on the market would be a formidable challenge.
“The main aim is to focus on new songs before they get to the recording studio So far there have only been two cases in which discs have been banned by rabbis, said Luft. “There are certain types of music, such as rap and reggae, that are disgusting and have no place in our community.”
This thinly-veiled jab at Matisyahu (and me) shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is not about any violation (real or perceived) of Yoreh Deah 178 (the section of the Code of Jewish Law which deals with non-Jewish items/influences), this is an opinion. And let’s be brutally honest — R’ Elyashiv is assuredly not sitting and listening to hours of CDs — this is an opinion of a non-Gadol, delivered to a codifier of Jewish Law by an infathomable network of gabbaim (and/or hearsay). An opinion tainted by racism and fear — fear of not only the straw-man threat of losing Jewish souls to his invented goyish bogeyman, but also the age-old dilemma of being caught on the wrong side of “too old”:
Luft has already issued a list of “kosher” and “non-kosher” bands and musicians. He said that dozens of yeshiva heads have agreed to refuse to come to the wedding of a student who hires a non-kosher band. Halls with haredi kashrut supervision who host non-kosher bands run the risk of losing their supervision, and hence their clientele. Companies that help promote haredi concerts expose themselves to the danger of a consumer boycott.
Luft said that music is just part of a much larger problem in haredi society.
“We see that the same people who are involved in the treif pop scene are also the ones in the unapproved news media, in the so-called religious radio stations, in film and in advertising,” said Luft. “All of these things come together to demoralize haredi society and to lower the spiritual level of our youth.
“This is an issue that people over 30 understand very well what I am talking about and those under 30 have more difficulty understanding,” Luft continued. “This music is pushing into our community a generation gap similar to one created by the rock music of the ’50s in the US. The whole idea is that there are types of music that have no place with respectable people. Respectable people listen to decent music and immoral people listen to indecent music, and it does not make sense that a community that has high moral standards should be listening to this type of music.”
Anyone literate or with a memory lasting longer than the fire on a matchstick knows that this has happened before. Once upon a time it was Avraham Fried who was introducing the newfangled trends, before that it was Mordechai ben David and Shlomo Carlebach. Today, for the first time in American history, frum Jews have been shown to be viable commodities in mainstream media and this has the self-styled “old guard” shaking in their mud-covered boots. On a purely quantitative level, more people will see a Matisyahu DVD in one year than will attend most rabbis’ classes in their lifetimes (whether for good or for bad) — to not even attempt to harness this unprecedented exposure for holy purposes is virtually to deny the Torah’s universality. Who could have the audacity to say, “to hear the word of G-d you must come to Brooklyn and sit in my beit midrash?” Is a mitzvah inspired by a Matisyahu concert any less pleasing to G-d than a mitzvah whose beginning is on 13th Avenue?
King Solomon asks rhetorically in Ecclesiastes, “What gain, therefore, is there…in toiling for the wind?” Is there any action more futile, any more “toiling for the wind”, than creating a ban that exists only for the sake of invalidating itself? I can tell you personally that there are yeshiva kids right now at prominent Brooklyn yeshivas who are listening to my music, a student of a prominent Rebbe here showed me just today that he “is still rocking the Y-LOVE sticker” on his car. The other night a group of yeshiva kids passed me on Avenue J — with one of them slyly shouting me out, “Y-Love!” as he rode by on his bicycle, careful not to let his friends hear that he knew me. Dozens of kids at Jewish schools have downloaded my ringtones. Kids who feel their Rosh Yeshiva would not approve of hiphop already know how to keep their musical tastes on the DL. These Pyrrhic attempts of zealots to recreate Poland will have no impact on them.
Who will be impacted by this racist ban of no value? The “good kids”. The “good kids” from “good families” who used to be able to channel their creative energies and passions for urban/digital music in good ways will now be left devoid of a kosher alternative.
Do you know how many Emails I get on MySpace saying “hi, I’m MC Moshe, this is my brother DJ Chaim, this is our new hiphop track about Shabbos”? Would these kids have gotten the same inspiration to write a track extolling the virtues of the Sabbath after listening to Soulja Boy? T.I.? What will Moshe-leh be doing in class — when he’s not being paid enough attention — next year? Will he be becoming “MC Moshe” writing about how much he loves Shabbos? Or will he be wondering how to spell “bitch” and daydreaming about the “bling” he wishes he had? Is it not easy to sit and adjudicate about such things theoretically from Bnei Brak?
A quick message to the ban-happy chevra intent on forbidding everything short of oxygen: this is your garbage disposal speaking. The souls you are throwing away will eventually end up at one of my events. Or Matis’ events. Or a Shemspeed event. Or a JDub event.
And we will be actively trying to undo the damage that you are doing right now. We will be explaining to them why Judaism is still for them, and why it is the G-d-given medium of connection that the Torah says it is, and not the oppressive backwards culture you are trying to make it into. We will be telling them why the Torah is relevant in 2008, and not trying to recreate 1800.
And maybe we’ll help some of them come back, and help keep some of them from leaving.
And with G-d’s help, you’ll get to thank us later.








Yasher koach, man. Well done.
I could not have said it better myself!
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Keep up the good work Y Love! Your chunes may not be much to my style but I have 100% respect for your work and your skills.
“The souls you are throwing away will eventually end up at one of my events. Or Matis’ events. Or a Shemspeed event. Or a JDub event.”
One can only hope. More likely they will go off the derech altogether after being severely turned-off by people like this askanim.
But hey, banning “2-4″ beats will also ban the Polka beat which has been so closely identified with Jewish Music since the 1800s, so maybe it’s not all bad.
Although I suppose you could construe “improper use of bass” to be anything I do with the instrument. Fine! I’ll stop using a pick!
Great post. Thanks for speaking for all the Jewish musicmakers out there, and for all of us for whom all music speaks to our soul - classical, new age, rap, reggae, rock, metal - anything that comes from the heart speaks to the heart.
Banning 2/4 beats cuts out a lot of Hassidic music and Sephardic music as well.
Apparently the Rabbanim don’t think it’s necessary to do their research before issuing bans that impact people’s livelihood.
The connection with Africa is more through Haiti, New Orleans Jazzz and Voodoo. The theory is that African (and Arabic) music originated from idolatrous ceremonies and appeals to the body thorugh rhythm and beat, which western classical music does not. That’s why Bach, or borowing from folk music is OK, but everything after jazz is not. At least this is how I have seen it explained in a pamphlet which I discuss here
http://www.avakesh.com/2008/03/on-the-concert.html
I love rap, I love Matisyhau, I love Y-Love and I have heavily prooted them. but fact: they are NOT Jewish music. and if you are worried about assimilating, then you need to stop listening to rap period. that is the logical conclusion. come on, we know what is tradutional Jewish msuic and what is not. hasidic pop such as Shloime dachs that used electric guitars is NOT tardutional Jewish music. If he were to get rid of the elctric guitars, then it would be.
psychotoddler,
Learn to play with your thumb and get rid of the round wound strings. I did and I never looked back.
Whoa, Psycho- Don’t F%$# with the Polka!
It’s pretty much a step in the wrong direction. Any time religious leaders take these kinds of steps towards fundamentalism and racism, sexism, classism etc. at least two of which are shown here, it makes me nervous. This just brings it a step closer to the same kind of thinking that is in place in much of the middle east. By taking away peoples’ freedoms to listen to music in a global media environment, it just puts of those who are younger or trying to find themselves as people within the framework of their own religion. As much as it is a struggle to maintain Jewish culture and whatnot, it’s also a struggle not to make itself obsolete.
Avakesh, please note that Bach did an Easter Oratorio (complete with the track Christus, Gottes Sohn), Handel’s Messiah need not even be mentioned, Beethoven has his Christ on the Mount of Olives. It is not as if there were not categorically un-Jewish musical pieces being made in Europe. The point is that Yoreh Deah 178 allows for these things to be adapted — and if these things can, then it follows logically that music on its same level from the African continent should also be able to be adapted for Jewish purposes.
To say otherwise is to create an artificial double standard for Europe and Africa.
Sad news brother, but I know where you are coming from. Our nutters claim that music of any sort is a sin.
I wonder if these guys think Ofra Haza is okay? Maybe not, but it would be hard to think of someone who did more for Israeli/Jewish music abroad.
Keep faith, it is hard when even the leaders of your own religion make you run for cover!
Yasher koach!
May we one day merit great leaders whose Torah-learning combines with seichel, so that they see the Kiddush haShem that is all around them - so that they do not put this michshol (stumbling block) in front of our youth searching for haShem.
Just another money making / chumra attempt by some individuals that clearly have too much time on their hands.
You can’t have a lively wedding without beat. If these clowns refuse to come to wedding because of lively music, who would want to invite them to begin with?
Furthermore, these people have no clue about the base lines or musical scales used in the Beis Hamikdash, as none of us do. All we know is that they were allowed 1 cymbal, 100 trumpets/shofars and unlimited harps (according to Rambam). If these so called rabbis are hypocritical enough to us Bach, Beethoven and Mozart who were known to be drug addicts and sexual deviants in addition to be hitler’s favourites, how can anybody in the modern Jewish / Orthodox world take them seriously?
avakesh,
I’m sorry to say you are spreading non facts and pseudo science. I have yet to see a qualified ethnomusicologist connect the poly-rhythms of Haitian voodoo to the popular afro american music forms you mention *except* in specific cases which deliberately quote those poly-rhythms.
Additionally, all the so called tests concerning the “harmful” effect of rock music on the human body have been conducted with complete disregard for the scientific method. For example none of the tests employed control groups or double blind testing methods.
These claims are one step away from those of the eugenicists.
Please understand, I’m not attacking you personally but I cant hold with such false claims without any logical basis.
Jordan:
You want a piece of me??
Abu:
These guys would absolutely hate Ofrah Haza because she is a woman and women are not allowed to sing for men.
Don’t get me started on that one.
Y Love-why do you insist on calling yourself Ultra Orthodox or Charedi? If you really think that Rav Elyashiv doesn’t agree, even if he thinks it’s halacha v’ein morin ken, then you are fooling yourself. Charedim follow gedolim. No gadol of the charedi would support what you do, and if one has told you that he does, then please post his name so that the rest of the Charedi world will quickly explain that he’s not really a gadol and not really even frum. (Note: I think what you do is 100% OK, though I don’t particularly enjoy your style, but that shouldn’t matter-it’s not for everyone, as I’m sure you would agree. But when you rap about how everyone should be charedi and buy a black hat the message you send to Modern Orthodox, young and old, is “you’re not as frum as me”, the same message that Luft is trying to send to you. You are Modern Orthodox, the real Orthodox, the ones who understand that the world is meant to be lived in and enjoyed, within the boundaries of the Torah, and the beautiful world that G-d gave us should not be shunned and banned, and it should not be viewed as one big temptation to be avoided at all costs lest we fall down to some pit of immorality.
Respectable people listen to decent music and immoral people listen to indecent music, and it does not make sense that a community that has high moral standards should be listening to this type of music.â
Fear based motivations for social control with no basis in reality a.) never stand the test of time and b.) are always overthrown
there is a wide differential between gangster rap and Matisyahu. Anyone that can’t tell the difference between the two needs to get their head examined. Fear based motivation only leads to submission or rebellion; neither one are sustainable and only lead to greater degrees of the same expressions that are in question in the first place
long live the music that leads to heightened spiritual awareness
p.s. in the not so distant future, be sure to watch out for the new Bluefringe ‘YamSuf’ Remix by Aryeh
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Eric Rosen
USC Marshall School of Business
MBA ‘09
Director of Marketing
Jewlicious Festivals
http://www.JewliciousFestivals.com
http://www.waxdj.com/djs/17
“Respectable people listen to decent music and immoral people listen to indecent music, and it does not make sense that a community that has high moral standards should be listening to this type of music”
Fear based motivations for social control with no basis in reality a.) never stand the test of time and b.) are always overthrown
There is a wide differential between gangster rap and Matisyahu. Anyone that can’t tell the difference between the two needs to get their head examined. Fear based motivation only leads to submission or rebellion; neither one are sustainable and only lead to greater degrees of the same expressions that are in question in the first place
long live the music that leads to heightened spiritual awareness
p.s. in the not so distant future, be sure to watch out for the new Bluefringe ‘YamSuf’ Remix by Aryeh
–
Eric Rosen
USC Marshall School of Business
MBA ‘09
Director of Marketing
Jewlicious Festivals
http://www.JewliciousFestivals.com
http://www.waxdj.com/djs/17
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They are banning electric bass, guitars and saxophones. What about the hundreds of frum musicians who play these instruments. What if that is all they know how to do. Maybe they have been doing this for 20 years. They always could get jobs playing at weddings, at concerts, on records etc. But now these instruments are banned.You are taking away these peoples livelihood. Forcing them to be get a job working in a store making lesss then ¼ of what they made before or to go work in a non-Jewish environment. Maybe a bar or dance club with almost naked girls dancing right in front of them. And maybe in order to keep their jobs, they will be forced to work on Friday night (Shabbat). If they don’t make enough money they can’t pay the mortgage, rent, Yeshiva Tuition, put food on the table etc. They end up getting divorced or end up losing their house and go homeless. Now who are you hurting by doing this ban. This could possibly affect a lot of other people as well sound engineers, drummers etc. All would be forced to work in a non-Jewish environment and possibly violate Shabbat, or give up their careers and have to look for work doing something else.
Y-Love, this made me think of a line on a BodyCount album (not sure anymore which one), “The problem with the lyrics on this record is not the black artist. The real problem is the fear of the white girl falling in love with the black man.”
So I suppose you could take the ban as a compliment if it weren’t so utterly irritating, discriminating and ignorant.
To put it into Tucholsky’s words, “Most people’s cruelty is lack of fantasy, and their brutality [is] ignorance.”
Y-Love: Don’t worry - just keep up the good work, and inspire as many people as possible. Shlomo Carlebach, zt”l, was also “controversial” in his day, but his tunes are now standard in many haredi shuls. As you say, race is a thinly veiled issue in all this criticism and it recalls the tremendous backlash against Rock & Roll (which was invented by African-Americans) when it was first popularized in the 1950s. I love Rock & Roll, and I know that many Jewish teens love rap music and reggea; they will listen regardless of any bans. I only hope they choose your music, rather than being pushed, unwittingly, towards alternative artists who don’t have a positive message and uplifting lyrics. Ketivah v’chatimah tovah!
When the Jews left Egypt, they only things thy had left were their language, names an clothes. When they sang Az Yashir, I guess it was an Egyptian tune that was boycotted by later generations… Wait, I still say Az Yashir every day! Like Gilmour says keep it up!
I admit that I am not a particular fan of reggae (just does not suit me–no animus against it). That being said, this ban is ridiculous. Keep up the good work and may your truth win in the end!
You speak the absolute truth; what utter foolishness they are trying to pass off as Judaism!